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Eve Gambling Shutting Down

As of November 8th, 2016, gambling with ISK in Eve Online will be strictly against the End User License Agreement (EULA). This means, effectively, that entities like Eve-bet.com and IWantIsk.com will be shuttered, leaving many player-organized or -initiated events and entities at a loss for sponsorship. This news comes on the heels of the banning of at least some of the IWantIsk.com staff from Eve for RMT. It appears that with the IWI crack down, CCP has reached the end of their patience with gambling presences in Eve.

Or, more likely, they are just tidying up the landscape before, inevitably, fallout from the CS:GO gambling controversies of earlier this year reaches Iceland.

Unfortunately, this does have a rather huge impact on the Eve Media scene, something I’m now going to have to cover in my Eve Vegas talk in a couple weeks. Many prominent Eve streamers on Twitch rely heavily upon sponsorship from Eve casinos to subsidize their willy-nilly PVP ways; CrossingZebras.com featured, as part of their big visual refresh, the placement of huge Eve-Bet logos due to the fact that their entire staff is paid for primarily with Eve-Bet ISK; what few PVP videos we get these days on YouTube almost all feature Eve-Bet sponsorships; the list goes on.

Now, whether this ends up being a net positive or net negative is really a matter of interpretation. Certainly, many Imperium-allied individuals have been smugposting across Reddit as though they won the war in the end (hint: you didn’t, actually). On the LennyBux side (aka PL and company), you have many basically calling out ‘Shame On You’ towards CCP due to the fact that these streamers, YouTubers, and media sites that rely on casino ISK effectively equate free advertising for the game. Some (most notably Ripard in this typically Ripard-esque gray area post on Reddit) are rather ambivalent about the whole thing.

Personally, I don’t take the viewpoint of entitlement that is being espoused by the defenders of casinos, nor do I subscribe to the idea that this is comeuppance for World War Bee. Finally, I’ve arrived at an issue where I largely agree with Ripard, of all people – there are pros and there are cons to this. However, the most important thing that I don’t see many people talking about is this:

Eve media existed before Eve-Bet, before I Want Isk, and before Somer – and was largely better for the absence of significant ISK incentives. There is a purity to the way blogs were before sponsorships became a thing, and while sponsorship certainly makes it easier for streamers and YouTubers to produce content, its withdrawal by no means signals an end to production. In an economy increasingly enamored with crowdfunding for almost everything, I find it hard to believe that enterprising content creators won’t be able to make ends meet after November 8th – they’ll just have to do things a little differently.

Maybe now we’ll get back to the idea that people evangelizing for Eve will be doing it because they genuinely appreciate the game and wish to see it prosper, rather than being subsumed by petty political considerations within the game. Now we just need to shut down paying ISK to contributors wherever advertisements are sold for real money…

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kirithkodachi
kirithkodachi

Two thumbs up. As part of the group of  "content creators" prior to the rise of sponsorship, I think the meta community will do just fine in the long run.

Wilhelm Arcturus
Wilhelm Arcturus

I can get behind this.  Yes, a lot of smug going on at the moment from my team, but after the year we've had I think we're about due for a bit of that.  It was a long hard winter and spring of non-stop smug about us losing after all.  And it wasn't all just smug.  Nothing like getting hate mail because of a video game, and I got my share, not to mention a load of toxic comments.

But as I said elsewhere, even the IWI bans can be flipped on their head from the right angle.  CCP waits until a few weeks before gambling isn't even going to be a thing to finally ban them?  Small victory there.  I think they just wanted to get that ISK out of the economy.


I have not written for other sites, aside from a year or so when I allowed EN24 to syndicate what I was writing if they so desired, in large part because getting ISK or other payment to do so would change how I wrote.  I even changed a bit during the EN24 syndication to make some of my posts more generally appealing as opposed to my usual inane style.  So I won't go back to that.  There is a purity in being able to write about whatever you damn well please on any day you choose.


I am also personally biased against gambling.  It preys on certain personality types.  In the real world all that tax benefit some places get from gambling is paid for by crime and real world misery.  Why feed that into New Eden?  I go there to get away from that.


Finally, my gut says that an in-game organization having an unassailable revenue source in the form of an online casino is just bad for the game.  As we saw this year, empires can fall.  But you can't hot drop an online casino.  It just keeps churning out ISK whether or not you can rat or run reaction farms.


So while I have no doubt that CCP did this for their own reasons, I am not unhappy that it has come to pass.

proceduraldave
proceduraldave moderator

@Wilhelm Arcturus Good point about the smug - take your victory laps when and where you can, I suppose. 


Totally agree with the rest of your argument, though. Writing for any sort of incentive absolutely changes the way you write (or stream, or record, etc), sometimes for the worse. I think this is a great step in the right direction. I unironically have a slide in my Vegas presentation, written a couple weeks ago now, advocating that people write for themselves before contemplating a gig at a CZ or TMC or EN24.

meanharri
meanharri

"Maybe now we’ll get back to the idea that people evangelizing for Eve will be doing it because they genuinely appreciate the game and wish to see it prosper, rather than being subsumed by petty political considerations within the game."


Beautiful. One thing that comes to mind is the word community. It's thrown around a lot. When a community is stricken it rallies and lifts itself up. Those who find current "content creators" worthy will rally and lift them up to continue. If not, welp. And that is how it should be and should have been all along. 


Cheers

proceduraldave
proceduraldave moderator

@meanharri in reality I'm actually not that much of a free market kind of guy, but I think when it comes to entertainment and hobbies and such - absolutely. If you make good stuff, people will help you. If not, well, you shouldn't really be helped that much should you...